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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:23 pm | |
| Found this interesting article recently. beda dengan gambaran kita selama ini bahwa aladdin adalah seorang arab seperti yg ada di film Aladdin buatan disney itu. In the original story, Aladdin is represented as the son of a Chinese tailor. Princess Jasmine is actually called Badroulbadour, and she is the daughter of the Chinese "Sultan." here some synopsis - Spoiler:
Aladdin is an impoverished young ne'er-do-well in a Chinese city, who is recruited by a sorcerer from the Maghreb, who passes himself off as the brother of Aladdin's late father, convincing Aladdin and his mother of his goodwill by apparently making arrangements to set up the lad as a wealthy merchant. The sorcerer's real motive is to persuade young Aladdin to retrieve a wonderful oil lamp from a booby-trapped magic cave. After the sorcerer attempts to double-cross him, Aladdin finds himself trapped in the cave. Fortunately, Aladdin retains a magic ring lent to him by the sorcerer. When he rubs his hands in despair, he inadvertently rubs the ring, and a jinni, or "genie", appears, who takes him home to his mother. Aladdin is still carrying the lamp, and when his mother tries to clean it, a second, far more powerful jinni appears, who is bound to do the bidding of the person holding the lamp. With the aid of the jinni of the lamp, Aladdin becomes rich and powerful and marries Princess Badroulbadour, the Emperor's daughter. The jinni builds Aladdin a wonderful palace – far more magnificent than that of the Emperor himself.
The sorcerer returns and is able to get his hands on the lamp by tricking Aladdin's wife, who is unaware of the lamp's importance, by offering to exchange "new lamps for old". He orders the jinni of the lamp to take the palace to his home in the Maghreb. Fortunately, Aladdin retains the magic ring and is able to summon the lesser jinni. Although the jinni of the ring cannot directly undo any of the magic of the jinni of the lamp, he is able to transport Aladdin to Maghreb, and help him recover his wife and the lamp and defeat the sorcerer.
The sorcerer's more powerful and evil brother tries to destroy Aladdin for killing his brother by disguising himself as an old woman known for her healing powers. Badroulbadour falls for his disguise, and commands the "woman" to stay in her palace in case of any illnesses. Aladdin is warned of his danger by the jinni of the lamp and slays the imposter. Everyone lives happily ever after, Aladdin eventually succeeding to his father-in-law's throne.
- Spoiler:
No Arabic source has been traced for the tale, which was incorporated into the book One Thousand and One Nights by its French translator, Antoine Galland, who heard it from an Arab Syrian storyteller from Aleppo. Galland's diary (March 25, 1709) records that he met the Maronite scholar, by name Youhenna Diab ("Hanna"), who had been brought from Aleppo to Paris by Paul Lucas, a celebrated French traveller. Galland's diary also tells that his translation of "Aladdin" was made in the winter of 1709–10. It was included in his volumes ix and x of the Nights, published in 1710.
John Payne, Aladdin and the Enchanted Lamp and Other Stories, (London 1901) gives details of Galland's encounter with the man he referred to as "Hanna" and the discovery in the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris of two Arabic manuscripts containing Aladdin (with two more of the "interpolated" tales). One is a jumbled late 18th century Syrian version. The more interesting one, in a manuscript that belonged to the scholar M. Caussin de Perceval, is a copy of a manuscript made in Baghdad in 1703. It was purchased by the Bibliothèque Nationale at the end of the nineteenth century.
Although Aladdin is a Middle Eastern tale, the story is set in China, and Aladdin is explicitly Chinese.[3] However, the "China" of the story is an Islamic country, where most people are Muslims; there is a Jewish merchant who buys Aladdin's wares (and incidentally cheats him), but there is no mention of Buddhists or Confucians. Everybody in this country bears an Arabic name, and its monarch seems much more like a Muslim ruler than a Chinese emperor. Some commentators believe that this suggests that the story might be set in Turkestan (encompassing Central Asia and the modern Chinese province of Xinjiang).[4] It has to be said that this speculation depends on a knowledge of China that the teller of a folk tale (as opposed to a geographic expert) might well not possess,[5] and that a deliberately exotic setting is in any case a common storytelling device.
For a narrator unaware of the existence of America, Aladdin's "China" would represent "the Utter East" while the sorcerer's homeland in the Maghreb (Northern Africa) represented "the Utter West". In the beginning of the tale, the sorcerer's taking the effort to make such a long journey, the longest conceivable in the narrator's (and his listeners') perception of the world, underlines the sorcerer's determination to gain the lamp and hence the lamp's great value. In the later episodes, the instantaneous transitions from the east to the west and back, performed effortlessly by the Jinn, make their power all the more marvelous. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Ternyata kisah Aladdin sendiri memang tidak ada di dalam cerita asli One Thousand and One Nights tapi ditambahkan ke dalam kumpulan cerita tersebut oleh translatornya Antoine Galland. some pic of Aladdin English translation [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]copy of the original story by Galland [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Terakhir diubah oleh BojepJoe tanggal Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:36 pm, total 1 kali diubah |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:20 pm | |
| wow,really? hope it was true,man! update: gw baru cek sumber,ternyata emang bener.haha - Quote :
- "Although Aladdin is a Middle Eastern tale, the story is set in China, and Aladdin is explicitly Chinese."
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:40 pm | |
| iya tapi keknya bukan Han Chinese. karena disitu cuman disebut chinese kingdom, mungkin aja yg dimaksud kerajaan2 yg ada di sebelah barat macem ughyur ato yg kayak jaman si genghis dolo. nama bokapnya juga mustafa, dan ga disebut sama sekali ttg budisme ato konfusianisme ya...? tapi di lukisan eropa itu (fixed it, gatau tadi kok berubah gbrnya?) si aladin tetep digambar pake gaya rambut poni kuda gitu sih. |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:47 pm | |
| dari sumber yg gw crosscheck sih cerita versi asli, baru dan disney emang rada beda. tp cerita asli setting nya emang di china. dan bagian dari negeri china itu kyknya emang memeluk agama islam.ckckck kira2 ada script aslinya gk y.
ada kemungkinan jg aladdin emang fiksi,jadi gk jelas keberadaan dan asal usulnya. |
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:56 pm | |
| kalo mnrt yg diatas itu kan, si translator org perancis ini denger cerita ini dari seorang maronite storyteller di syria (di spoiler ad tuh). nah dia kan lg ngerjain buku seribu satu malam, dimasukan lah cerita ini ke dalam cerita itu. padahal sebenarnya kan gatau nih org dapet cerita dari mana. tulisan aslinya yg gw kasih linknya bhs perancis. sblmnya cuma lisan doang keknya. |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 pm | |
| gw baru translate pake google translatenya chrome. link french yg lu kasih - Quote :
- Sire , the capital of a kingdom of China, very rich and broad scope
sekilas mayan akurat jg translate nya,walaupun gw blm baca semua |
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:13 pm | |
| sire tuh kyknya sir.. nih yg gw dapet.. Your majesty, in the capital city of a kingdom of China, very rich and vast, the name of which I cannot recall right now, was a tailor named Mustafa, of no fame but that given by his trade. Mustafa the tailor was quite poor, and his work produced hardly enough to support him, his wife and a son that God had given to him.
only the first sentence. hehe |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:52 pm | |
| ditunggu komen2 yg laennya :) |
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BoYBoYJC
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:24 am | |
| menyimak b2 ini.. seru bgt..
anyway article nya mematahkan pemahaman dari jaman gw kecil sampe sekarang.. nice share :) |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:17 am | |
| emang musti nyimak,namanya juga room serious talk,hehe emang sih,jadi pengen baca cerita aslinya.ckck tp aladdin emang sejenis dongeng/fabel jg kyknya y |
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BoYBoYJC
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:42 pm | |
| iya,, tapi tetep aja, gw baru tau kalo aladdin adalah seorang chinese x_x |
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:44 pm | |
| iya kita semua kebanyakan terpengaruh ceritanya disney. tapi kalo org2 di eropa lebih tau kalo aladdin itu chinese, dan banyak yg heran dengan film disney yg berset di arab. btw, gw juga ngepost artikel ini di forsex-forum tetangga. silekeun dikunjungi. ada bbrpa tambahan menarik. |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:12 pm | |
| hehehe si bojep aktif di forum tetangga jg ternyata :D |
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:22 pm | |
| iya gw liat yg akun jeff rizuki juga sering maen disana. lu tau moderator yg namanya berwin ga? mantep tuh org, dr dolo tau aja trtma sjrh chinese. ada trit menarik ttg sjrh cina disana skg. |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:07 pm | |
| si jeff sih emang uda aktif dari dulu. gua ngeliat dia dulu sering bgt aktif di grup2 fb,hehe wawasan luas community dll.
berwin tau koq,cuman gk kenal. haha ngmng2 trit2 budaya chinese di room yg mane? kalo di regional china isinya org2 nanya gk jelas gt. harga tiket pesawat lah dll. |
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BojepJoe
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:11 pm | |
| forsex-sejarah dan xenology wduh malah oot nih.
Terakhir diubah oleh BojepJoe tanggal Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:29 pm, total 1 kali diubah |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:38 pm | |
| ada yg punya cerita aladin versi china? |
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jeff rizuki
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:48 pm | |
| - BojepJoe wrote:
- iya gw liat yg akun jeff rizuki juga sering maen disana.
lu tau moderator yg namanya berwin ga? mantep tuh org, dr dolo tau aja trtma sjrh chinese. ada trit menarik ttg sjrh cina disana skg. - des_jung wrote:
- si jeff sih emang uda aktif dari dulu. gua ngeliat dia dulu sering bgt aktif di grup2 fb,hehe
wawasan luas community dll.
berwin tau koq,cuman gk kenal. haha ngmng2 trit2 budaya chinese di room yg mane? kalo di regional china isinya org2 nanya gk jelas gt. harga tiket pesawat lah dll. waduh,saia digosipin disini itu momod berwin mank pintar, |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:54 pm | |
| wuis,si jeff nya muncul. haha berwin banyak mendalami sejarah ye?good2 |
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jeff rizuki
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:43 pm | |
| - des_jung wrote:
- wuis,si jeff nya muncul. haha berwin banyak mendalami sejarah ye?good2
udah hapal luar kepala malah kelihatannya |
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BoYBoYJC
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:13 am | |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:47 am | |
| moderator forum sebelah.hehe |
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BoYBoYJC
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:54 pm | |
| di sini emg nick nya apa ? |
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des_jung
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:40 am | |
| gk gabung disini koq,hehe koq jadi ngomongin dy y?haha |
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BoYBoYJC
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| Subyek: Re: Aladdin Was Chinese Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:09 am | |
| ga tau nih.. siapa yg bawa2 dia..
gw kenal dia sih karnea kmaren sering bantu2 belajar bareng akwkawka |
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